A Plea for War…

Experimenting with ideas and provoking difficult discussions

Iraq was not handled cleanly…

But on to Iran, and Saudi Arabia, and Syria.

Our technology-of-war is sitting on the shelf as lives of American men and women are being needlessly jeopardized…

“Don’t hit them too hard, don’t kill civilians, preserve their infrastructure”…

Well, we’ve walked softly for too long, let’s bring out the big stick…

Let’s arm our troops to do it right and send them forward.

If the Arab people are to be judged solely by their actions, as a whole…

They are not to be respected.

The Arab world permits its leaders to oppress them with religion as the primary tool…

But to what extent should we be willing to sacrifice our own progress, our own safety, our own interests, out of deference to an enemy that has demonstrated the means, the intent, and the will – to destroy us.

We sit silently as admitted enemies build nuclear weapons that will be aimed at our interests…

We sit silently as so-called allies manipulate and bastardize our economy…

We sit silently as they all train their youth to hate us, and prepare to kill us…

We sit silently as they buy off our elected officials who deliver record-high oil prices to their Texas cronies…

Leveraging the petro-dollars that WE put in their pocket.

Our innovations brought their oil from the ground…

Our innovations created demand for that oil…

That is OUR oil.

Do we wait… silently… as they execute their strategy…

Do we give them time to sharpen the venom-soaked swords they craft in order to kill us…

Or do we treat them like the parasites that they are.

This is not about hatred of a people for who they are…

This is not about hatred of a people at all.

It is about the right of men to claim what is rightfully theirs…

Ours.

Let’s stop lieing to ourselves…

It IS all about the oil…

And if they were willing to play nice… to play fair… and to accept the gift that we’ve given them gracefully, there would be no impetus for conflict…

But rather than accept their place as the beneficiaries of good-fortune…

They assume the role of divine messengers…

Their message will be the END of us…

Their strategy is to kill us slowly…

And our opportunity is to claim what is rightfully ours…

And to ensure that THEY have everything that they have earned…

Nothing more, nothing less.

So let’s assert our claim to “their” oil (our oil) by deploying big massive BOMBS…

Or let’s set it in flames and create alternatives…

But let’s NOT allow them to use our innovations against us.

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12 Comments

  1. Nathan
    Posted April 22, 2008 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    The [American] world permits its leaders to oppress them with religion as the primary tool…

    They are not to be respected.

  2. reasonmrsmith
    Posted April 22, 2008 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Nathan,

    Oh believe me, I have BIG problems with the American world too when it comes to religion – but the rights of an average American FAR exceed the rights of the average Arab. America has been a major sponsor of the technology/knowledge revolution. The Arab world still milks the oil that Americans helped them to pull from the ground.

  3. Posted April 24, 2008 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    It may sound rude, but I would love to state the truth.
    Individually, I feel nothing about America, or India or Arab or Iraq or Iran.

    As an Indian, I must say, American government is charlatan.
    When a Pakistan-backed Islamic terrorists shot up the Indian Parliament in New Delhi, killing 12 people and leaving the Parliament building pocked with shotgun shell holes, India received zero support from the nation supposedly leading an international coalition against terrorism.(hypocrisy, it’s all fake.)
    When India suggested that allow Indian troops to get in Pakistan and kill the terrorists who are disturbing whole North India and are now reaching in trains of South India and Mumbai too, American government was standing with Pakistan, the savior of terrorism (Both America and Pakistan).

    And why India alone?
    Even Israel has witnessed same hypocrisy of American government.
    American Government raids and attacks Iraq; it goes to other part of world and attacks Afghanistan because Afghanistan holds terrorists. But same government prevents Israel to attack the Palestinian terrorists so near to it, why? That’s hypocrisy.
    American Government urges restraints when Indian government shows even a little opposition to Pakistan supported terrorists in Kashmir and other parts of India, why? Similar hypocrisy…
    Anyways the post is about Iran. It is true that whole war is about oil, it was about oil in Iraq too. Sure, don’t allow them to use your innovations against your own self. So will you kill them for that, and how many along with them?
    Anyways, being an Indian, I know The Age of Reason is yet arrived, neither in India nor in America.

  4. reasonmrsmith
    Posted April 24, 2008 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    America has her faults but there is no other country on earth that I would wish to live than in mine… in America. In America I can start a business… I can own land… I can speak out against unpopular issues… and I can do all of these things with relative security that my land, my property, and my right to free speech will be preserved. Sure, the cannibals are at work trying to erode our freedoms, and trying to force a segment of society to carry the burden for those who can’t carry their own weight (I suppose to a large extent they have already succeeded), but with her faults, she has no match. I am very thankful to be an American.

    As far as India and Israel, and fighting terrorism, the only duty that America has, as an entity, is to protect its people. It may be fair to call “America” hippocritical for preaching one thing and doing another (with respect to the India/Pakistan conflict for example), but it is not, and should not be the duty of America to protect the world from terrorism. The American military is funded by tax-dollars from Americans, and has the clear mandate to protect American borders, interests, and the American people. It would be immoral to force me to pay taxes and then to use my tax dollars to serve an interest that is not aligned with the mission of protecting OUR country… whether those dollars are being spent on military intervention in India, or in feeding poor children of nations that do not serve our strategic interest. No one has a right to be altruistic with my money but ME. As far as Israel… the one thing our President has done right is to remind everyone that Israel has every right to defend her borders – without qualifications or nuance.

  5. Posted April 25, 2008 at 5:36 am | Permalink

    America has, as an entity, is to protect its people. It may be fair to call “America” hippocritical for preaching one thing and doing another (with respect to the India/Pakistan conflict for example), but it is not, and should not be the duty of America to protect the world from terrorism.

    Very true, Neither is it the right of American government to interfere or coerce economically or by any other way if India or Israel tries to protect themselves and safeguard against the assaults.

    By coercing or terrorizing economically, American Government shows the real face of Hypocrisy.

    And Mr Reasonsmith, don’t confuse America with American Government. Both are typically different.

    I have no problems with America or American people. I am talking of American Government’s wrong irrational and hypocritical policies.
    Even you opposes the government’s irrational policies, you have right to do so. So I do have right to do so.
    American military is funded by tax-dollars from Americans, and has the clear mandate to protect American borders, interests, and the American people. It would be immoral to force me to pay taxes and then to use my tax dollars to serve an interest that is not aligned with the mission of protecting OUR country…

    Now that was ignorant and idiotic on your part.
    What do you think? I demanded support of America against terrorism in India?

    NO, I questioned about the restrictions and coercions by political and economical means which America shows against India when India tries to safeguard itself. I asked about the bullying nature of America and its altruistic nature to safeguard the nations which promote terrorists.
    Yet, it is good that you accepted that America has her faults.

    But basically a reasonable aim of anyone remains to keep reducing the chances of faults.

  6. Posted May 8, 2008 at 12:32 am | Permalink

    Seems you stopped posting in new articles here.

    Are you busy/ok?

  7. Posted May 8, 2008 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    The oil belonged and belongs to the Arabs, even if the Americans took it out for them. It is most irrational when a Randian Libertarian says that the oil belongs to Us. The oil has to be purchased for reasonable consideration because it was taken from the land of Arab, even though it would have remained deep inside the ground without the Americans coming over with their drills to fulfill their rationally selfish intentions.
    The Arabs owe you nothing for the oil.

    Do you know how much petrodollars harm the citizenry of an economy? That’s a digression here, but another point of view…

  8. Posted May 31, 2008 at 12:27 am | Permalink

    America has, as an entity, is to protect its people. It may be fair to call “America” hippocritical for preaching one thing and doing another (with respect to the India/Pakistan conflict for example), but it is not, and should not be the duty of America to protect the world from terrorism.

    Very true, Neither is it the right of American government to interfere or coerce economically or by any other way if India or Israel tries to protect themselves and safeguard against the assaults.

    By coercing or terrorizing economically, American Government shows the real face of Hypocrisy.

    And Mr Reasonsmith, don’t confuse America with American Government. Both are typically different.

    I have no problems with America or American people. I am talking of American Government’s wrong irrational and hypocritical policies.
    Even you opposes the government’s irrational policies, you have right to do so. So I do have right to do so.
    American military is funded by tax-dollars from Americans, and has the clear mandate to protect American borders, interests, and the American people. It would be immoral to force me to pay taxes and then to use my tax dollars to serve an interest that is not aligned with the mission of protecting OUR country…

    Now that was ignorant and idiotic on your part.
    What do you think? I demanded support of America against terrorism in India?

    NO, I questioned about the restrictions and coercions by political and economical means which America shows against India when India tries to safeguard itself. I asked about the bullying nature of America and its altruistic nature to safeguard the nations which promote terrorists.
    Yet, it is good that you accepted that America has her faults.

    But basically a reasonable aim of anyone remains to keep reducing the chances of faults.

    @anon
    I doubt Mr. Smith understand property rights properly.

  9. Posted June 10, 2008 at 5:08 am | Permalink

    Nathan,

    I’m quite disturbed by your melding of Randian Objectivism and a pretty crude from of “Manifest Destiny”.

    It’s a pretty broad brush you paint with, when you start talking about “the Arabs”. C’mon, most of them are just regular slobs like you and me, getting by and don’t really want to have a war or a Jihad or anything else that gets in the way of getting through another day.

    So when I hear you start rattling your saber and talking about killing civilians… Whoa there pardner! Yer getting off at the wrong bunkhouse.

    Is something “Ours” simply because we want it and have the power to take it? Is that how you were raised? I hope not.

    The main reason the Arabs hate us is because we insist on fiddling around and sticking our noses where they don’t belong. Worse yet, we do it so ham-handedly that we end up pissing everyone off… including our supposed “allies”.

    What do you think Ayn would say to all this? I’ll tell you: either pay the freight or innovate your way out of needing it. Violence is only for resistance, not for empire building.

    Let’s all take a deep breath, ok?

    Erik

  10. Seeker
    Posted June 14, 2008 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    What’s the difference between you and “the terrorists”? You both advocate mass murder and forcing your wills and/or beliefs upon others… I can’t imagine the destruction and damage the would be if we had a few people like you in the government… Actually, I can; it can’t get worse than your little neo-con buddies we have right now, except you’re even stupider than they are. They somewhat realize the danger of being upfront with their agendas, unlike you.

    I believe the real motive and reason behind you and “the terrorists'” thirst for blood is actually revenge and the “pack mentality”, maybe even more than religion, which is just oil on that fire. Your labeling of “us” and “them” makes that quite clear, as does your stereotyping and bunching of whole groups of people “the Arabs” (many of whom are Christian by the way.) One strong motivation of many “terrorists” is the killing and injustice inflicted upon their people in the name of America. Just as you and those like you are strongly motivated by terrorists acts upon America in the name of Allah… its an eternal circle of killing. Revenge is the real motivation, that is quite apparent in Bin Laden’s tapes, which are mostly political rantings about the “injustices” done to his tribe “The Muslims”, just like Bush’s constant ranting about what was done on 9/11 and the threat of terrorists upon his “tribe”. Fear is another strong motivator, both sides often talk about the “threat” of the other side’s beliefs and control.

    I really pity humanity, will we ever change? Not with conservatives in our midst; the very root of which is to conserve, i.e: preserve unchanging. To preserve our ways and not to strive to improve, to be so proud and not see our faults, is the greatest fault in itself, which unfortunately is what conservatives are proud for. Hell the whole 2 party system in America is gigantic explosion of the pack mentality on a huge level. Most people, and especially politicians, are expected to side with their party on all issues without thinking, because if they didn’t they would go against the party, and concede “defeat” to the other party. What stupidity! Can’t people think for themselves?

    I understand I went off on many tangents in my little critique here, but it is vital to understand that the issue brought up is a multi-faceted topic that has many tangents anyways.

  11. Seeker
    Posted June 14, 2008 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    What’s the difference between you and “the terrorists”? You both advocate mass murder and forcing your wills and/or beliefs upon others… I can’t imagine the destruction and damage the would be if we had a few people like you in the government… Actually, I can; it can’t get worse than your little neo-con buddies we have right now, except you’re even stupider than they are. They somewhat realize the danger of being upfront with their agendas, unlike you.

    I believe the real motive and reason behind you and “the terrorists'” thirst for blood is actually revenge and the “pack mentality”, maybe even more than religion, which is just oil on that fire. Your labeling of “us” and “them” makes that quite clear, as does your stereotyping and bunching of whole groups of people “the Arabs” (many of whom are Christian by the way.) One strong motivation of many “terrorists” is the killing and injustice inflicted upon their people in the name of America. Just as you and those like you are strongly motivated by terrorists acts upon America in the name of Allah… its an eternal circle of killing. Revenge is the real motivation, that is quite apparent in Bin Laden’s tapes, which are mostly political rantings about the “injustices” done to his tribe “The Muslims”, just like Bush’s constant ranting about what was done on 9/11 and the threat of terrorists upon his “tribe”. Fear is another strong motivator, both sides often talk about the “threat” of the other side’s beliefs and control.

    I really pity humanity, will we ever change? Not with conservatives in our midst; the very root of which is to conserve, i.e: preserve unchanging. To preserve our ways and not to strive to improve, to be so proud and not see our faults, is the greatest fault in itself, which unfortunately is what conservatives are proud for. Hell the whole 2 party system in America is gigantic explosion of the pack mentality on a huge level. Most people, and especially politicians, are expected to side with their party on all issues without thinking, because if they didn’t they would go against the party, and concede “defeat” to the other party. What stupidity! Can’t people think for themselves?

    I understand I went off on many tangents in my little critique here, but it is vital to understand that the issue brought up is a multi-faceted topic that has many tangents anyways.

    I highly doubt our genius democratic blog master will keep this on here anyways, so thank you

  12. reasonmrsmith
    Posted June 14, 2008 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    “I highly doubt our genius democratic blog master will keep this on here anyways, so thank you”

    Seeker all thoughts are welcome here. I created this blog not to share my own ideas, but to develop my thinking by putting forth ideas and debating to gain greater perspective. I have a hard time finding intellectual debate in the real world and this blog is a small answer to that.

    As far as this post, as stated in my first line it does not necessarily reflect my view. I believe in experimenting with ideas and sometimes that requires someone to take the extreme view. Your comment that “vital to understand that the issue brought up is a multi-faceted topic that has many tangents anyways” suggests that perhaps I have caused you to think and if so that would be good.

    As far as your suggestion that what the post advocates is akin to terrorism, I think a superficial argument could be made for that however it falls WAY short. Bottom line is that if Iran makes the decision to support terrorists financially which we know they have, and if the people of that country fail to influence the political direction of their country in a more positive way, then they have thrown the first punch and morally I feel justified in responding in an aggressive and unprecedented way.


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